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OP - What you mean by Dravidian Politics? I mean, how are you differentiating it from common politics?

As for the answer - It's because, caste-based politics is still prevalent in TN.

Additional_Sunset

Dravidian Politics itself is a movement of &amp; for &amp; by OBC Collectives. It's against both OCs and SC/STs. Goes w/o saying DMK is the creme of D-Politics.

While the D-Hate politics or EWS denial against OCs is visible on the top, the D-Hate against Scheduled Castes is subtle &amp; under the hood.

Proud_Bandicoot5235

I watch tamil serials regularly, since my grandma watches it and we happen to be in the same hall, and I did a double take while watching this episode, why did she have to save him man 🥀

The only "good" serial rn is like ethir neechal, I like the director and the only serial where writing is good, just...the standard is that low.

NeverMindMeLmao

frrrrrrrrrrrr, the only good serials I have watched are Ethir Neechal, Siragadika Aasai and Tamizhum Saraswathi. Mostly all Sun TV serials are cringe af, my grandma watches a lot of serials so ik

ZestycloseInitial798

Gng also the normalised cousin marriage which is actually incest makes me nauseous 🤮

Doomed_sailor_172

Most-Veterinarian403

It's just 💩 old people watch serial cuz they don't have hobbies and it's slightly relatable ,atleast our gen should stop fooling our selves with movies and series,hero worship etc if there is good take it,if there is bad stop it.

MysticSpear

Also, the stereotype that all rich, independent women are the "bad guys" while the poor, dependent women are always the sufferers. I don't get this logic.

Just to appeal stuff for the boomers, the directors are doing this shit. We're supposed to break this very stereotype but they're building it.

 Also, all the serials nowadays are fully filled with problems and it is irritating to watch after just a few minutes.

Downtown_Sport9338

Watch Ammu, the Aishwarya Lakshmi movie. It was amazing.

Anjhana_N

Tf? the last time i checked out annam while my mom was watching she was about to get married to the elder brother 🤡

the_honored_17

OutrageousKey8700

GoofyMathematician

Accomplished-Taro394

Serials:  tamil cinema nalathaan nagalum irukom , eppadi v can change our script🤣

200UserFound

Also how can you forget incest, the most normalised part of tamil serials of flirting with akka ponnu and shit

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uncle_t0

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Cultural-Support-558

Enna da english idu? Its not Biro ,  its a Bureau. 

The Bureau was earilier used to securely keep files and documents in offices. Which is why the officers are also callrd Bureaucrats. Later indians started using it for their private homes and kept clothes in it like a portable closet. 

What is the purpose of english education when the bar to clear is so low?

soft_Rava_Idli

I've one word for you all brother coimbatore people ... Poda, vesha theevdiya paiyaa.

FeelGoodMane

Wait. But caste is already abolished in TN as per DK , EVRamasamy Naicker no?

sbadrinarayanan

Stratification of humans based on birth is the greatest evil.And religion and its practices were used as a tool.So weapons needed to fight them needed to be strong.But the job was done not by violence but by education,reasoning and inculcating in everyone the idea of self respect by which you raise a person's confidence.No houses were burnt and no lives were lost...Are all humans equal?....no...humans are not equal, they can be stratified based on their good and bad  deeds.Not by their birth.Religion has been used systematically to make people feel guilty, scared and accept a low status in society.

Pro6rastinat6

Headline - 


For Periyar's question "If caste can be destroyed by burning Agrahaarams &amp; killing 1000 Brahmins, what will you do?" The lakhs in the crowd cheered with the response - "Will burn ! Will kill !! Will follow the orders !!"

LoveAskingQuestions1

The time-line and the experiences Periyar and his team had were very different from current time, people keep comparing shit but I don't get it it was a different time back then.. such a guy had to exist

takesh9999

Reminds me of an incident few years back where one of Periyar's staunch criticizer and a proud Brahmin BJP's H. Raja in a meeting claimed that "Christians and Muslims are not Tamil people" And the Sanghi audience shouted back "beat them, Kill them". 

Seems like these kind of statements don't create nothing in political sphere

Large-Atmosphere-548

Please share some newspaper clippings of a thousand years of caste based atrocities also.

kilaithalai

Periyar is a definitely a controversial figure. He was a rebel who talked very politically incorrect stuff out of rage. But what we must take in consideration is did he or his supporters actually acted upon that? 

Answer is a big NO. Apart from the govt job deinal just in the first term of DMK govt in the 67, there was no discrimination againt Tam brahm community in TN, anyone who say otherwise are blatantly lying. Exodus, bndodus kadhaiyellam inga nadakkave illa. 

Did periyar talk some radical shit? 100% yes.

Did he actually practice it or promote military action against brahmins? No. There was some one off incident where some DK gang cut the white nool ( one off incident again). Other than that there is no record of any violence against Brahmins. Infact the brahmins have thrown eggs, cow dung etc at periyar at multiple stage meetings. 

Now coming to the opposite spectrum? Did Savarkar incite violence against Muslims and called for Aryan supremacy ? 100% yes.

Did he act upon that? 100% yes, he himself admits to setting a mosque on fire in his very early days itself. 

So one cannot cancel Periyar totally because of contradicting statements but one can definintely cancel Savarkar but in this country the later is being worshipped by the PM and moola veengis will lose their mind if Periyar is being celebrated.

beefladdu

For the context here..

Telling to burn houses of a specific caste is hate mongering, irrespective of which caste it is. To add...one of the leader from DK has a video saying cutting kudumis.. 

And now.. yes casteism is true.. atleast there was EVR who blamed Brahmins.. for whatever happening now in TN, with most number of honour killings, mixing sewage to drinking water and what not.. what's happening.?

Either you die as a hero or live long enough to become the villain 

The ideology lived enough and created another monster..

Note: people who had to drink the water has been charged for adding sewage to it..

BadGood-B

Everyone here admits that the above statement is well beyond its expiry date.

There are a lot more of his statements and actions which are beyond their expiry date.

Most of his speeches and writings are not available for the present generation for a honest review.

TN govt should nationalise his works and allow the people to evaluate him freely.

Deifying him in total is as bad as vilifying him in total.

Willing-Wafer-2369

It was the need of his times. Faith, caste superiority and superstitions are hard to break. So these provocative methods were alright imho.

It's a kind of classic war cry that leaders use from time immemorial. This is nothing, you should see what and all BJP leaders say

Kevinlevin-11

Started as his follower, and ditched that wreckless thug once I read on my own instead of listening to thidal pork ies. That man probably high on something. January 1 he will xyz and January 2 evening he will change his mind and say exactly opposite based on the heat he get from others.

raavaanan

Honestly if you’re a proud Tamil, you wouldn’t look up to Ramasamy. He called our language barbaric and was a casteist himself who didn’t condemn casteist attacks against Dalits. A rabid anti Brahmin hater who bullied Brahmin men and women. 
Also was an anti Hindu overall.
Ramasamy and DMK doodes aren’t progressive and are caste fanatics themselves. Truth be told.

Amshivdeep99

Current caste atrocities involves honour killing, violence . Sadly no one talks about the violent aspect of it

dinkinflickadude

Agitation and liberation goes hand in hand. You cannot liberate a group of people if you can't kindle their anger against their oppression. There was no proper Laws against caste discrimination and these kind of speeches made agitation, made ideology to make a room for oppressed in the main stream society we live in today. Now you ask whether it is right or wrong in 2025, it's absolutely damn right in the context of the society in 1957. Brahmins were the powerhouse after independence in India and the atrocities with their abuse of power was innumerable. Just for eg. Sanskrit was mandatory for medical degree. Shudras were treated like dogs and slaves, they cannot wear shirts, they did not have a tumbler to drink, they cannot sit with upper castes, they cannot bury or burn their dead in common cemetery, they cannot access potable water from village common wells and ponds. Can list down 1000 such things and for them to question everything, agitation and anger was the only way. Periyar and Dravidian ideology kindled that. Period.

zakk_user

1957......no wonder why sangis are still crying

InstructionOk1087

Let's get an American Newspaper from the 1940s..It would have probably said something like "Burn the Germans". You can't see those words with today's lenses.. 

Also can you find any instance of actual murders committed because of what Periyar said here?

mjaga93

That's dog-whistle politics speech and no action and one can verify whether any of that really happened.

Now coming to the reality then, I'm sure OP will also talk about extreme Brahmin oppression in that era. Land ownership after kowtowing to British and how easily they had the power corridor to themselves.

bliss_tree

There are 1000 ways people will muttu . Please don't ask them they are into periyar and will never see the truth .. already he is having some problems so only he is telling all these... Everything he says is shit also many are now debugging many more of what he written over past the good things that he said and that too took from great people all over the world . Just he is copying and telling that too he told or not we don't know but the beriyarist sharing in Tamil with the thing as he said. Even pen ean adimai aanaal took from english book.  As a tamilan we must not support him.  As he on the whole damanged the language and culture

Madmanindian

As Cho said there are many more temples now than during his time
One thing I don’t understand is why wouldn’t Priya’s target any other caste ? Is it because Brahmins won’t hit back or this was convenient ?

Bumblesavage

maybe 20% 

The only reason for this 20 percent is that due to the agraharam brahmins extreme dehumanising behaviors but 80 % negative due to the fact this is a huge generalisation and barabaric call to extermination. If this is okay then anything would be okay. WE should note that periyar and DK was not a universally accepted in tamilnadu until dravidian powers brainwashed into thinking as such. DUring the period he was active, most of the main leaders of tamilnadu isolated themseleves from him, anna durai, karunanidhi, kamarajar and many other tamil leaders never seen periyar as an "ICON" but more like a seeman of that time. Even national leaders like nehru had extremely negative opinion on him due to his occasional barbaric speechs and ideas. He speak a lot of good things but he also deliver very controversial opinion and sometimes illogical things.

helloworld0609

I have said this before, will say it again. 

He has spewed both good and bad. Take the good things and ignore the bad things. 

Was EVR required? Yes. 
Is he above criticism for his violence inciting speeches? No.

nowtryreboot

Could you please share the full page screenshot of you have?

Ksamhere

If I was born in Periyar's time period I'd still oppose it but wouldn't think of anyone who endorsed it as morally repugnant or morally questionable. I can even see myself being good friends with them given their suffering but now I'd say 0%.

Own-Artist3642

This, precisely is the reason why Ambedkar is known countrywide, while the moment you cross the border of TN, EVR is forgotten

srimaran_srivallabha

I wonder if tamilan would hold the same view if I replace the word Brahmins with jews.

Because Hitler came up with the same talking point as well. Jews controlled everything from banks to cinema to media.

Surprised by the amount of genocidal tendency in these so-called rationalist periyarist.

Why didn't he say anything about the slave owning zamindars of tamil nadu like naidus, devars and gounders or any other intermediate caste.

Ya I already know the answer, blame the Brahmins again. A lot of caste had privileges but blame only went to Brahmins. Basically use caste privilege when needed and the outsource the blame to Brahmins. 

This whole Dravidian  movement is just a cowardly movement by the intermediate caste zamindar's to create a common enemy for 97% of the population to hate on.

CriticismBright2768

Only parpan than jaathi veriyan naaydoos and rettis are not and they do bandham with so called low castes?? Psycho 🤣

This just points out the superficial aspects of Periyar’s approach and the Dravidian movement, which might be why he isn’t viewed on the same level as Narayana Guru. I’d personally not lean toward Periyar’s way. This isn’t a criticism of social justice or the reprehensible attitude of Brahmins that continues till date in any way.

Both_Bandicoot9213

Why dont you post the entire article that came out in the newspaper? This doesnt shed light on what Periyar replied when crowd chanted ‘koluthuvom koluthovom’. And for those half baked fools considering this as a call to genocide, how did you come to that conclusion? Where in does it say it? Do you guys know to read tamil?

sammyM008

I don’t need to understand the language. Periyar word is synonym with radicalism. He was a very caustic person.

In his time, I'll support it 💯 percent. That was a dark time. Now, nah. Violence is not the key for now.

BeetleBot96

Natural-Scar9867

can someone tell the date of this article ??

Murky-Snow9701

WealthTomorrow0810

Identifying problems alone doesn’t makes someone a good leader. Anyone can identify problems. And there were lot of people who identified the same. Again, proposing solutions to the problems also doesn’t make anyone a good leader. What actually makes someone a good leader is based on the amount of regression impact that the proposed solution has. 

Periyar identified problems and gave solutions to all such problems without thinking much about what would be the regression impact. All his proposed solutions will solve that single problem, but would create another 10 more problems alongside.

When people and parties say STUDY PERIYAR, they actually wants us to read books written by someone else about Periyar. Or they might be saying this knowing we really won’t give a damn about it.

Not just Periyar, but if we really want to study some leader, we need to read the articles and words written by themselves and take a stand.

rvishwaa4

He also made similar comments about Muslims

PartyExplanation9100

Absolutely unacceptable. Looking back at history such violence is not uncommon. Lot of good fellas belonging to ruling class were killed too in French Revolution. Look history as history and move on. Nobody can/should call for violence against any group. Having said that, I believe OP is trying to do fear mongering by conflating verbal suppositions of threat (objectionable indeed) to real murders and torture of millions of Dalits over centuries by a system created and sustained by the upper class. Please grow up and get civilized

Low-Succotash-2473

Same article can be used to compare those that came out for freedom movement instead of social justice movement.  Then many would have agreed fully.  Even in Brahmin context, Vaishnavite Brahmins have spread  Krishna's words to Arjuna about killing relatives being justified.   

E V Ramasamy had his faults and biases which changed over time, but his articles, talks and activism was for that horrible period of casteism.

parapluieforrain

If all of his words were nationalized, that would make an unimaginable scandal nationwide compared to that Udhaynas rant about sanathana dharma seem like a praise.

ChristyRobin98

I don't understand Tamil, but if Periyar said something it must be to root up the evil in our society which still exists to this day....

forgotten_sperm

Forgot Nelson Mandela, South Africa, Namibia, etc? Wondering why Periyar, Ambedkar , etc did not bother slavery &amp; untouchability practiced all European nations during their occupation. Transported millions from India &amp; Africa &amp; forced slavery in 40+ countries. Untoucbility endured slavery was main ethos of Brits in India. It is well documented &amp; thousands of photos are publicly available. Did these two people ever protested against Brits? But saw only 2% Brahmins!! How can 2% Brahmins can exist thousands of villages?? And take control???

vidvizharbuk

I think during world war 2 entire world would gladly kill a German even though during that time he was known as a nazi. 

So timeline matters

Funny_Language4830

I became aware of caste first time in my life when I was in 10th standard, uncle took me to our farm and he called a person who was twice his age ‘dei’ and the entire time he talked to that person was with ‘da.’ As a city brought up boy I was confused and when I asked my uncle he introduced me to ‘caste’ and I got infected and became a typical casteist. School, college, reservation and Tamil movies in the 90s fueled my caste pride until one fine day I experienced what that farm worker experienced that day. When I was working in Bangalore a co-worker invited me to her engagement and she was a brahmin. When I and others from team entered her house and she introduced us to her family, suddenly one of her aunt without any hesitation, humility, loudly asked ‘yen shudraloda yellam palagura’ most of us were confused since we didn’t know what that meant and our friend chided her aunt, for the rest of the evening we ignored her. But that ‘shudra’ thing was bothering me and thanks to the internet read about the caste system, varnas and the entire BS. And that led me to Periyar. Periyar is going to be relevant until the caste system exists among Indians. I think Tamil Nadu state what it is today is because of Periyar or else it would have been worse than UP and Bihar.

kilovictor76

This looks like against ahimsa..if it happens like that it will make a big outrageous move in a whole country history

HUSTLER_In_Hell

He roused the crowd, but did he ever resort to violence? No.

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